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Catch All Discussion Board / Re: Licensing not paid?
« Last post by elvise on August 17, 2017, 03:11:34 PM »
All that means, IMHO, is they are going to have a new company redesign their website.  It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the problem at hand.

They're real good at having these conference calls with all the nice things they're gonna do (new website design, buying a terrestrial radio station so they can lower their royalty payment structure, etc.).  But, none of this means squat if they don't make nice-nice with ASCAP and get back to what they're supposed to be doing--that is, PAYING them!

I'm sorry, but I'm getting disgusted with what's going on (or not going on) here.
Catch All Discussion Board / Re: Licensing not paid?
« Last post by the_grand on August 17, 2017, 01:36:48 PM »
So what is O2 Webcasting? Does it have a recognized ASCAP license?
Catch All Discussion Board / Re: Licensing not paid?
« Last post by elvise on August 17, 2017, 07:49:10 AM »
I see it completely differently. Star Dome Media bought a smoothly-running entity from Marvin Glass. He trained them on how it all works.  They didn't pay close enough attention to the details of the process and began counting vast overages in listening hours and, subsequently, over-paying the PROs (ALL of them, apparently).

Most of them have been cooperative.  But, as soon as ASCAP raised a stink, they adopted the strategy of stopping payment of royalties to them altogether.

Until Streamlicensing separates trying to get back the overpayments (which remains THEIR fault) from doing what they're supposed to do (paying the royalties to ALL the PROs), then I'm afraid this problem isn't going to go away anytime soon.

Their communication to their customers has been less than adequate.  They waited almost eight full months before even admitting there was a problem.  They have made shallow promises to indemnify us from legal action by ASCAP.  And, customer service, apparently lied to me the other night when I asked a simple question, "Are we now covered by ASCAP?" Sorry, but simply buying a terrestrial radio station doesn't automatically put us in good with ASCAP.

And now, to complicate matters, ASCAP has terminated their agreement--which means now SL has to try to renegotiate a new agreement before they can even begin paying them again.

Star Dome has really "screwed the pooch" on this. I think there's a very real possibility they just decide it's too much trouble to deal with and fold the company.  I hope it doesn't come to that.

Catch All Discussion Board / Re: Licensing not paid?
« Last post by TheDrunkenScoundrel on August 17, 2017, 02:28:32 AM »
I have been doing some research.
I was was surprised by something, I had no idea how well Pandora and SiriusXM were actually doing.
Yes, this may be headed to the courts, but now I realize why ASCAP is so desperate to scare us: The money behind these battles actually makes them look like small fry-which is probably why they are talking merging with BMI.
I'm sticking with SL.
It might be rocky for a bit, but (IMHO only) what I see ASCAP as is a company which may, despite it's small size, be one guilty of anti-trust regulations (among other things).
Always assume a bully is weak and insecure.
I fully get why some of you are anxious and upset, so don't think I am criticizing you, but I personally feel this is worth sticking around for.
Even if you move to another platform or go dark? Keep your head in the game and be ready to jump back in when the time is right.
I think our days of being shoved-around may be numbered.
I fully believe that we will be able to prove we matter.
Nobody else does what we do.
Catch All Discussion Board / Re: Licensing not paid?
« Last post by transistoroldies on August 16, 2017, 01:23:40 PM »
We were promised an email from SL this week.  I hope that is still the case.  I for one would certainly like to hear their opinion of the latest ASCAP email.
Catch All Discussion Board / Re: Licensing not paid?
« Last post by metalrockradio on August 16, 2017, 02:45:48 AM »
Just received from ASCAP:

It has come to ASCAP's attention that StreamLicensing is now claiming that it has obtained a license for WKTF-AM radio and that, therefore, the StreamLicensing Service is somehow licensed by ASCAP as a result of that license. StreamLicensing's claims are inaccurate in two very important respects, as outlined below. To be clear, the StreamLicensing Service is unlicensed by ASCAP and, as a result, any unauthorized public performance of ASCAP's music via the service constitutes copyright infringement, and may subject Broadcast Affiliates to liability under federal copyright law.

With respect to StreamLicensing's most recent claims: First and foremost, ASCAP's current form of radio station license agreement simply does not grant the owners and operators of commercial radio stations the right to enable performances via Internet webcast by otherwise unaffiliated webcasters. In others word, a license for the operation of WKTF-AM - or any other radio station for that matter - would not grant the operator of that station the permission to operate a service like StreamLicensing. Second, according to ASCAP's records, as of today's date, WKTF-AM is not licensed by ASCAP. Of course, as noted above, even if WKTF-AM was licensed by ASCAP, that simply would have no bearing on the status of the StreamLicensing Service, which remains unlicensed.
We regret that the owners and operators of StreamLicensing have continued to cause confusion for the StreamLicensing Broadcast Affiliates by repeatedly misrepresenting that the servicce remains licensed by ASCAP. In that regard, ASCAP would like to remind Broadcast Affiliates that they can obtain an ASCAP license directly from ASCAP as follows:
If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us at (212) 621-5698 or
Thank you!
ASCAP New Media Licensing Team

I've received this same email from ASCAP on 8/15/2017

I'm continue to paid for a short time but I'm may stop streams and hide stations links until I get an answer that we are covered BY ASCAP.
Catch All Discussion Board / Re: Licensing not paid?
« Last post by elvise on August 15, 2017, 05:08:16 PM »
After leaving the fold for a week and signing up with Live365 for all of 24 hours, I saw the posts last night about the conference call on Sunday. 

I called Customer Support for them to confirm to me (over the phone) that SL did, indeed, have a new agreement with ASCAP.

So, I quit Live365, signed back up with SL, paid another $59.95 and put my stations back up on SL.

Now, not 24 hours later, another goon letter from Max The Magistrate. C'mon Streamlicensing!!! Which is it?!?  Are we covered or not?!?  Jeesh!
Catch All Discussion Board / Re: Licensing not paid?
« Last post by mrbill on August 15, 2017, 10:55:05 AM »
I have a feeling this one may be headed toward the courts.
Catch All Discussion Board / Re: Licensing not paid?
« Last post by BiglooRadio on August 15, 2017, 10:09:37 AM »
I'm at a loss for words.....
Catch All Discussion Board / Re: Licensing not paid?
« Last post by BigFrank on August 15, 2017, 09:19:02 AM »
OK. WTF is going on with this? Now I'm starting to get pissed and I consider myself an SL 'true believer.' Communication is the name of the game. After all, aren't we all in the freakin' 'communication' business???

Big Frank
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