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Author Topic: Licensing not paid?  (Read 10445 times)

oldjoe

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Re: Licensing not paid?
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2017, 11:53:05 AM »
I have received an email from SL and they indicated that negotiations were taking place and that this was a unilateral response from ASCAP.
SL indicated that they were working diligently to reach a mutual solution.
SL further indicated that members not panic and continue to march until
clarification can be achieved.
StreamLicensing has ALWAYS done right by me. This leads me to believe that perhaps the email from ASCAP is not 100% factual.
I intend to ride this out with StreamLicensing.
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Re: Licensing not paid?
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2017, 01:02:21 PM »
If you are on FB ask to join this group https://www.facebook.com/groups/internetradiobroadcasting/ there has been some extensive discussion of this. (it also covers a lot of other good stuff that helps us.)
I got an email from SL about it, but didn't get one from ASCAP.
My take is that there was a dispute that SL thought was resolved and ASCAP decided it wasn't.
Personally, based on my experience with Marvin and then the new ownership?
I'm gonna take SL's side.

Another aspect of this is us.
Obviously, if you are on this forum, you aren't part of the problem so I am not trying to insult any of you, but as a group, we Small Webcasters have a cultural problem: We don't engage well outside our listeners.
I know that Marvin and later Stardome represented us in the CRB rulings but we didn't represent ourselves.
We have no face.
We are utterly anonymous and invisible to the CRB and the PRO's.
We are just a tiny income stream with a huge potential value that they don't understand.
Maybe we should try to do something about that?

I agree, maybe start a coalition, I know there may have been some in the past, but one who has a face. I am willing to help in anyway I can, but I am limited on funds. So in that aspect, I will be useless lol
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Re: Licensing not paid?
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2017, 06:57:12 AM »
New email today:
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As you know, ASCAP sent you (and all other Streamlicening customers) received an email informing you that Streamlicensing's ASCAP license was terminated, effective June 30, 2017, and inviting you and your fellow Streamlicensing customers to obtain a discounted, easy-to-administer license agreement directly from ASCAP on ASCAP.com.

 

ASCAP took the step of terminating Streamlicensing's license as a result of Streamlicensing's breach of that license, including breach of its payment obligation.  Streamlicensing was first made aware that they were in breach several months ago.  They were given several opportunities to resolve the situation before the license was terminated.  Unfortunately, Streamlicensing never cured their breach and as a result, the license was terminated. 

 

Any and all claims or statements by Streamlicensing representatives or others that ASCAP acted inappropriately or otherwise outside of its rights under its license with Streamlicensing are false.

 

Regrettably, termination of Streamlicensing's ASCAP license agreement means that Streamlicensing customers are now without an ASCAP license.  To resolve this situation as fairly and efficiently as possible, ASCAP is affording all Streamlicensing customers a grace period through July 31, 2017 to obtain a license directly from ASCAP.  After July 31, 2017, performances of ASCAP music will be unauthorized.

Description: https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif




If you are a Streamlicensing customer and would like to obtain the aforementioned ASCAP license, please click on this link https://licensing.ascap.com/?uid=6yfoQgEFY6U%2B0%2BtQPJW%2BurqijE%2FyjkKWNYGkAgA4SFU


 

If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us at


(212) 621-5698 or mdemagistris@ascap.com.

 

Thank you!

ASCAP New Media Licensing Team
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Looks like Live365 might be an unwanted option after all. :(

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Re: Licensing not paid?
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2017, 07:06:44 AM »
yep... got same email today. so.. kinda wish SL would give some kind of update/rebuttal to this... granted we have until the end of the month, but nice to know what I should be planing for.
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Re: Licensing not paid?
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2017, 07:11:47 AM »
I received the same email as well.  I hope things get worked out before July 31.

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Re: Licensing not paid?
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2017, 07:13:49 AM »
Planning ahead in case this thing goes south.

Anyone have experience with the new Live365?
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Re: Licensing not paid?
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2017, 08:36:29 AM »
Some of the other folks on this forum said they are willing to sign up with ASCAP.  That's fine, but for me it's not so much the extra expense at stake here but the time required.  It will be your responsibility to report each and every ASCAP song you play to them.  That can be very time consuming.  This is not my full time job, it is a hobby.  I simply don't have any extra time to type up thousands of songs each month.

Stream Licensing (and Pro Streaming) has been great.  I've have very little problems over the 2 years or so I've been with them, but if I have to take the responsibility of reporting ASCAP songs directly to them each month I'd rather go with a company which IS licensed with ASCAP and will do the reporting for me.  My past experience with Live365 left a sour taste in my mouth, but if that is my only option to keep the time I spend on my station as it is, then I might have to leave SL and sign up.  There are no hard feelings.  I just have to do what is best for me personally.

On a side note, I've had some buffering and skipping issues with my ProStreaming account over the past 24 hours, submitted a ticket and haven't heard a word back.  It's really strange. :-\

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Re: Licensing not paid?
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2017, 09:18:12 AM »
Some of the other folks on this forum said they are willing to sign up with ASCAP.  That's fine, but for me it's not so much the extra expense at stake here but the time required.  It will be your responsibility to report each and every ASCAP song you play to them.  That can be very time consuming.  This is not my full time job, it is a hobby.  I simply don't have any extra time to type up thousands of songs each month.

Actually, I spoke to the guy (Max DeMagistris) at ASCAP. He told me that there is no reporting requirement for the plan they are offering us. The only requirement, he said, for next year and every year after is that the cost would rise to $250, and you would have to indicate your yearly revenue/expense (he also said "it's OK if that is zero") and report the number of hits on your web page for the year.

So there would be no need to report ASCAP artists to them.
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Re: Licensing not paid?
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2017, 09:32:41 AM »
So $250 on top of what we're paying SL?  Nope.  Too much for me. :(

I hear you. Unfortunately, it would take a lot for me to go back to Live365. I would be paying more than I do now, and would be rather limited - at least I remember I was very limited when I was with them over 10 years ago. I know they are under new management, maybe it's different, but looking at their pricing, the storage and/or TLH might not be enough.
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Re: Licensing not paid?/Where is the money going
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2017, 10:19:05 AM »
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Re: Licensing not paid?
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2017, 10:24:58 AM »
I checked Live365.  Apparently if you want to broadcast live you need Icecast2.  I'm still using Shoutcast and am not really too enthusiastic about installing and learning new software at this point.  I want to make any move as painless and effortless as possible.

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Re: Licensing not paid?
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2017, 11:25:33 AM »
The silence from SL (and ProStreaming) is deafening.  I really hope something can be done about this situation.  The word "terminated" in the emails is so final.  As customers we really need to know what's going on so we can make a decision on what to do with our stations.  July 31 is just 3 weeks away. :(

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Re: Licensing not paid?
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2017, 12:38:46 PM »
I sent a support ticket about 1135 today, so far nothing back. Just asked if they had any more news to share or any suggestions. The lack of an update upsets me as a customer. I know they may not have any new information, but at least post a message or send another email. Going to reach out to supporters by weeks end, and go ahead and get ASCAP license. Hopefully, the other PROs are still on terms with SL.
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Re: Licensing not paid?
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2017, 01:03:17 PM »
Just Got off the phone with Max at ASCAP, and he says the license IS expired and there are no negotiations that he is aware of in progress at all to re-instate !!! Is this true ? Whats going on here ???   >:(

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« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2017, 01:27:40 PM »
Just Got off the phone with Max at ASCAP, and he says the license IS expired and there are no negotiations that he is aware of in progress at all to re-instate !!! Is this true ? Whats going on here ???   >:(

Wow, that's not very reassuring.  I was under the impression this would be worked out as Wes stated above.